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6-Jul-1996
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14-Mar-1942
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1-Aug-1887
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11-Nov-1872
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14/09/1828
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1967
Phil
John
Ely
1968
Jo-Anne
Victoria
Gaunt
1999
Samuel
Charles
Ely
2002
Bethany
Rose
Ely
1944
Elizabeth
Anne
Bowbrick
1942
Allen
Keith
Ely
Born at: 27, Davidson Rd, Old Swan, Liverpool
Married: 01 August 1964
Shamley Green, Surrey
1969
Jane
Katrine
Ely
1917 - 2003
Mary
(Mollie)
Dalrymple
86
86
1919 - 1998
Kenneth
Allen
Ely
78
78
Born at: Durlston Rd, Kingston
Married on: 14 March 1942
At: St. Anne's, Stanley, Liverpool
He was posted in Jersey as a gunner to the Middlesex Regiment. At the start of WW2, and evacuated when the Germans invaded in 1942. At the roll call back in the UK, he claimed he was a driver. as no-one was the wiser, that is what he became! He spent the rest of the war in the UK driving a corporal around! He was posted in Liverpool, where he met my grandma, Mollie. He was arrested once for "borrowing" the car to go and visit her! They married, and my Father, Keith Ely was born nine months and three days later! Soon, Mollie moved south with Keith to live with Ken in West Byfleet with his parents, Samuel Charles and Edith. It was a large house attached to his shop. Soon, Ken's parents moved out, to be replaced by Ethel who was Samuel Charles' sister, her daughter and grandson. Malcolm was born. Samuel Charles and Edith moved back in, and due to friction with "mother-in-law", Ken and Mollie left to live in Hanworth. Unfortunately, there was still marital problems, and Mollie left Ken, and went with the children to live with her parents Walter and Mary in Brighton. After a while, ken bought his father's shop, snd Mollie was persuaded to move back in with him. My Father, Keith stayed in Brighton as he had just passed his 13+, and it was best for him to stay at grammar school there.
Ken sold the shop in Byfleet. Keith moved with them to the Forest Stores in Shamley Green where Ken was manager.
In June 1964 they bought the house in Roland Road, Cranleigh with Walter and Mary. The house cost £4000. Kentook out a £2000 mortgage, and he and Walter paid £1000 each.
In August 1971, Ken, Mollie and Mary moved to Shalford. Walter had died.
Ken now ran a small grocery shop at Weybridge Station. I used to work there on Saturdays.
Ken had a heart attack in the mid 1980's.
In July 1988, Ken and Mollie moved to Alfold. Mary had died.
in 1994, they moved again to Billingshurst.
Words from his wife:
I MET KEN EARLY IN 1940. THE SECOND WORLD WAR STARTED ON SEPT. 1939. I WAS AT THAT TIME EMPLOYED AS MANAGERESS BY A MR. FERENSIDE IN HIS SHOP AT CHILDWALL FIVE WAYS. THE SHOP WAS A SWEETS, TOBACCO AND NEWSAGENT.
KEN WAS STATIONED WITH THE MIDDLESEX REGIMENT ON THE CHILDWALL ESTATE (THE SHOP AFTER THE WAR WAS BOUGHT BY THE BANK WHICH WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE SHOP). THE SOLDIERS, OF WHICHEVER REGIMENT STATIONED THERE WOULD FREQUENT THE SHOP. KEN OF COURSE WAS ONE OF THEM. AT THE TIME HE HAD A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER (was fed up – sic.ed). HE HAD, BY ALL ACCOUNT, JUST RETURNED TO THE UNIT AFTER A MONTH OF DETENTION IN THE ARMY DETENTION BARRACKS AT SHEPTON MALLET IN SOMERSET.
THE STORY GOES THAT AS A BATMAN/DRIVER FOR ONE OF THE OFFICERS AND HAD CHARGE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE. A SOLDIER IN THE SAME HUT AS KEN WAS EXPECTING HIS WIFE TO ARRIVE AT LIME STREET STATION, PLUS BAGGAGE ETC. AND HE ASKED KEN IF THEY COULD USE THE VEHICLE TO MEET HER. THEY MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS AN OFFENCE AGAINST ARMY RULES TO DO THIS.
DURING THE RETURN FROM LIME STREET STATION THE VEHICLE RAN OUT OF PETROL. KEN PHONED THE BARRACKS AND THE 'RED CAPS' ARMY POLICE ARRIVED AND KEN WAS PUT ON A 'CHARGE' A CHARGE MORE SERIOUS BECAUSE HE HAD LEFT HIS RIFLE IN THE LOCKED VEHICLE. NEVER-THE-LESS, ON HIS RETURN TO HIS UNIT HE STILL HAD THE BATMAN/DRIVER JOB.
BEFORE THE COMPANY MOVED FROM LIVERPOOL TO BARRACKS IN SURREY/HAMPSHIRE KEN WAS OFTEN AT THE HOUSE WHERE I LIVED IN DAVIDSON ROAD, OLD SWAN.
ONE DAY A SERGEANT MAJOR ARRIVED AT THE HOUSE. KEN HAD BEEN CONFINED TO BARRACKS, THE CAR USED BY KEN FOR HIS OFFICER AND FOR COLLECTING POST ETC. HAD BEEN MISSING THE EVENING PREVIOUS AND KEN HAD BEEN QUESTIONED HE HAD SAID THE HE HAD BEEN AT OUR HOUSE (ON FOOT) HAVING WALKED ME HOME FROM MY WORK AT THE SHOP. MY FATHER HAD TO VOUCH THAT THIS WAS TRUE. THEN MY FATHER TOLD KEN THAT HE WAS NEVER TO ARRIVE AT OUR HOUSE OTHER THAN ON FOOT OR BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT.
KEN HAD TOLD THE TRUTH AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EVER FOUND OUT WHO HAD USED THE CAR.
AFTER KEN LEFT LIVERPOOL WE KEPT IN TOUCH AND HE SPENT HIS ARMY LEAVE'S WITH MYSELF AND FAMILY IN LIVERPOOL. IN MARCH 1942 WE MARRIED IN ST. ANNES CHURCH, STANLEY, LIVERPOOL. OUR WARTIME HONEYMOON WAS SPENT IN LLANDUDNO, NORTH WALES. KEN HAD BEEN GIVEN THREE WEEKS LEAVE BECAUSE WHILE ON DUTY HE HAD A FALL, WHICH HAD CAUSED A BROKEN COLLARBONE.
I RETURNED TO WORK AND KEN BACK TO HIS UNIT WHICH WAS THEN AT BROADSTAIRS KENT. I WAS THEN WORKING AT THE R.O.F. FACTORY IN THE 'REGISTRY' DEPT. WHICH I WILL WRITE OF LATER. WHILE KEN WAS STATIONED AT BROADSTAIRS HE TOOK ILL AND WAS IN HOSPITAL FOR SOME WEEKS SUFFERING WITH A DUODENAL ULCER WHICH LED TO HIS ARMY DISCHARGE. THIS WAS IN SEPTEMBER 1943.
KEITH HAD BEEN BORN IN DECEMBER 1942 WHILE I WAS LIVING WITH MY PARENTS IN DAVIDSON ROAD
1944
Malcolm
Walter
Ely
1891 - 1952
Edith
Anne
Roffe
61
61
Her father was station master at Leatherhead, living in the LBSC Station House. He was also stationmaster at Worthing, Petworth, and Norwood. Kenneth Ely can remember seeing him in his uniform of top hat and spats!
During WW2, she served for 2 years as the chairman of the Byfleet and Pyrford board of trade, the only woman accorded the honour.
She is buried at st. Mary's churchyard.
1914 - 1996
Muriel
Edith
Ely
81
81
Never Married
Notes
She was born in Kingston, Probably Richmond Rd. She was in the ATS during WW2.
She died aged 82
Lived in Wisbech - close friend owned the flat below
Last address was 21 Duncan Court Sheringham, Norfolk
Albert
Edward
Roffe
Her father was station master at Leatherhead, living in the LBSC Station House. He was also stationmaster at Worthing, Petworth, and Norwood. Kenneth Ely can remember seeing him in his uniform of top hat and spats!
1862
Eliza
Ellen
Rutledge
Brothers and sisters George Bettey Thomas
1863 - 1944
Samuel
Ely
81
81
Born at Thurlow, Suffolk. In 1871 cencus he was in Hainhault
In 1881 aged 18, he was boarding with the Boyles family, a boot maker. 9, Church Street, Lee, Lewisham.
Samuel's sister Susan married James Boyles.
Married on: 19 February 1882
At: Bethnal Green - Church of St. James the great
1881 census of Kent
9 Church St Lee London
The Boyles household
Samuel Ely 18yrs Boarder domestic servant b.Thurlow Suffolk
He married at the age of 20 (1863) at Bethnal Green .
They then moved to Upminster, where Ethel A. Was born. (1883).
By 1884, they had moved to Balham, when Harold G was born, and three years later.
In 1887, May E was born.
By 1890, they had moved to the Grove Estate in Nettlebed, where Samuel was employed as head gardener at Joyce Grove (Joyce Grove Cottages no.2 src 1901 census). (owned by a Mr. Gardener). Here Samuel Charles was born (father of Kenneth.) Jessica was born in 1897. Around 1907.
The family moved to Lavington House (now Seaford College), W.Sussex, where Samuel worked for Lord Woolavington.
In 1939 (age 76) he was with May (daughter) and Aaron at 2, Pineview Cottages, Grassmere Rd, Lightwater, a widower.
He is buried next to Eliza and one of his daughters Jessica, (who died at the age of 13, in 1910) at the Parish Church of St. Nicholas, Itchingfield, Sussex. Died age 82.
Note from Tim Challinor:
Yvonne
April
Beale
1967
Sharon
Maxine
Ely
1970
Grant
Ely
Joseph
Rutledge
Deceased on marriage cert. of Eliza dated 1882
1827
Hannah
Rush
1818 - 1890
Samuel
Ely
72
72
n the 1851 census he was in Upper Green, Little Thurlow with his parents, aged 33.
By 1861 he was married to Hannah and was at Overgreen, Little Thurlow. Interesting that in 1871, his father Joseph had moved in to Overgreen.
In the 1871 census he was living in Hainault, Chadwell, Barking - about 50 miles south. What prompted that move?
Labourer at Hainhault Farm, living at Hainhault cottage no.3
682 acres, 31 labourers and 6 boys. William Lapwood was an engine driver on the farm. His wife Mary came from Thurlow.
1892 - 1966
Walter
Dalrymple
73
73
Documents and possessions:
Woodworking tool cabinet and tools held by Allen Keith Ely
Pair of wooden candlesticks made by Walter held by Phil Ely
Waring & Gillows trade was French polisher
1897 - 1984
Mary
Robinson
86
86
Was brought up by her grandparents Hannah Williams and Henry Robinson in Liverpool after her father Henry was killed. She was given to an orphanage at the age of 6.
Source, the 1911 census shows her at the Girls' Preventative Home, 9 Aigburth Street
At 16 she went into "service" firstly to a Greek family, then as an under-nanny to the son of Lord and Lady Dudley Forward .
While away on holiday to Liverpool she met Walter Dalrymple, who she later married in 1916. She never rturned to London.
She is buried in Cranleigh cemetery
1865
William
Hugh
Dalrymple
1867 - 1906
Charlotte
Helena
Abernethy
39
39
Married at St. Saviour's, Liverpool 1 Aug 1887
She was my Great Grandfather Walter's mother, and died when he was only 14, she was 40.
Email from David Abernethy:
Phil,
Received your e-mails of 24/01/2002 and 3/02/2002. As stated in my initial
e-mail reply Charlotte Helena Abernethy was my grandfather's sister of whom I
know very little.Despite my endeavours over the past few years to find out
further information on Charlotte my efforts were less than fruitful.
The Margaret Abernethy on the e-mail referred in fact to my wife.
Charlotte was one of 5 known children as follows:-
John born 1854 - died 1912
Margaret born 1855 died 1926
Emily birth date unknown - died 1919
Walter (my grandfather) born 1862 - died 1918
Charlotte Helena born 1866 - died 1906.
Their parents were David Fawcett Abernethy died 1903 and Charlotte Mathers
(who originated from Dublin) died 1904. Both died in Dublin.
The family appeared to have been brought up in Kings County, Tipperary,
Dublin and England. They were of the Church of Ireland/Protestant faith and
seemed to have had some military connections. The family seem to have been
fairly fragmented and little contact appears to have been maintained prior to
their relatively early deaths. Charlotte's father David is believed to have
travelled on a number of occasions to Canada, but always returned. His
occupation in records has been given at various times, as a gentleman, a
farmer and also a milk dealer.
I do believe that there were other siblings born but despite extensive
searching have not been able to ascertain the name of any of these. I also
believe that emigration played a significant part in the families dispersion
and that Charlotte had at least two children, Walter ( your ancestor) and
possibly one called Charles. Charlotte was known to have been in service in
Bootle, Liverpool in 1881 ( 1881 Census), but I was not aware that she spent
time at Little Bray, South Dublin before arriving at Liverpool.
Being born in 1942, I was brought up with the knowledge that Charlotte Helena
Dalrymple nee Abernethy had been married to a cabinet maker, but this was all
I was aware of until about 2 years ago. My grandfather, Walter Abernethy,
whom I never knew died at 57 of sclerosis of the liver (Bright's Disease).
In reference to Charlotte Helena Dalrymple's death certificate, it shows that
her death in 1909 was caused by the same condition when aged just 40. You
mentioned in your e-mail that perhaps Walter Dalrymple was named after my
grandfather Walter. I think that this was would be the case, as other
members of the Abernethy family have continued the name.
I was pleasantly surprised to see a picture of my father's Aunt, 93 years
after she had died and presume that further information and images of her
family i.e. Abernethys do not exist as far as you know.
I would also be interested to learn how you became aware of the Little Bray
information as this may assist me in further research which has for the past
18 months - 2 years, as far as the Abernethy family members are concerned,
been unfruitful. With regards your query as to whether there is anything you
could/should look for at Little Bray I cannot assist at all, as this was an
area as stated that until your contact, was unknown to me.
I may in the near future take the opportunity of speaking to your grandmother
prior to the pending cessation of my family tree research.
Hope this information is useful to you.
Regards,
David and Margaret Abernethy
Possible match...?
Charlotte Leana Abernethy
Age in 1881: 15
Age months: 0
Estimated birth year: abt 1866
Relationship to head-of-household: Servant
Household: View other family members
Family and neighbors: View neighbors
Gender: Female
Where born: Ireland
Address: 5 Cranworth St
Civil parish: Bootle Cum Linacre
County/Island: Lancashire
Condition as to marriage: Unknown
Occupation: Domestic Servant
Education: View Image
Employment status: View Image
Source information: RG11/3691
Registration district: West Derby
Sub-registration district: Walton
Cathleen
Clancey
She didn't/was unable to look after my great grandma as a baby, and gave her to her grandparents to bring up.
She did attend my grandparents Ken and Mollie's wedding.
1879 - 1900
Henry
Robinson
21
21
He had a relationship at the end of December 1896 (aged just 17) with a girl called Cathleen Clancy. She became pregnant and gave birth to Mary.
He served in the Royal marines light infantry, and was killed in the Boxer rebellion in defense of Lecations, Taku Forts at Tientsin near Peking. There is a memorial to those who died from his ship, the H.M.S. Orlando in Victoria Park,Park Road
Portsea, Portsmouth.
According to the military record, on 4 Feb 97 he tried to join the Royal Marines Light Infantry (RMLI). He was too young, and on his 18th birthday 15 April 1897 he joined up.
The pictures attached were taken at Deal, Kent.
He was then transferred to Portsmouth and on the 25th August 1898 (just 2 days before his daughter was born), departed for China on HMS Barfleur.
According to the casualty list, Henry was killed on 17th June1900 at Langfang from a bullet to the head, being the first Marine through the front gates of the college which they had broken down. This is at odds with the memorial at Portsmouth and the following telegraph that claim he was killed at Tientsin rather than in Seymour’s column.
See attached images of accounts in newspapers of the time detailing the assault on teh collage and detailing his name.
Towards the Admiralty arch end of the Mall in London is a statue dedicated to Royal Marines Light Infantry casualties in South Africa and China. On the sides are bas-reliefs of fighting during the siege of Tianjin. Source: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1373/8_50/63986758/print.jhtml
There was a film made about this rebellion called 55 days to Peking starring Charlton Heston.
Quote from letter from May to Mary Ely:
"Grandfather always used to have a saying, as a little boy, he would say to him: "Henry, that head of yours would stop a bullet"
Henry's military records are held in the public records office, Kew, archive ADM159/15. The ships log, detailing all happenings are in archive ADM53.
HMS Orlando:
Was sold to Ward's of Morecombe in 1905.
Heavy Armoured Cruiser
56,000 tonnes
2 x 9" guns
10x6" guns
10x3lb guns
From his military record: 5' 6 3/4" tall.
1850 - 1929
Hannah
Williams
79
79
1881 Census RG11/3646 4 Gwydir St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
Parents from Wales
Hannah and her husband Henry are buried in West Derby cemetery
1846 - 1922
Henry
Robinson
76
76
1881 Census RG11/3646 4 Gwydir St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England
Railway Carter
Apr 1888 lived 19 Southampton St Toxteth Park (Src son William's birth Cert.)
Feb 1897 lived in Edge Hill (Parish of West Derby) (src Henry (son's) military record.
In 1901 they were living at 45 Janet Street West Derby. Henry was a Drayman, wines and spirits. Mary was listed as their daughter. See Census under pictures.
Laura
Griffiths
I had birth date 1783 but can't be right as she wouldn't have had Hannah at 67 years old
William
Williams
1854 - 1933
William
Williams
79
79
He was discharged from the ship "Sarah Elizabeth" aged 20 on the 3/08/1874 at Mostyn
In 1915 was living 20 Lomond Road, Edge Lane, Liverpool (src pension letter)
1933 was living 27 Davidson Rd Old Swan Liverpool (src last will & testament) age 79?
Rescued the son of Lord Mostyn? from drowning in a river, And was sent to school as a reward. Entered the customs service.
Nanny (Mary) Dalrymple was his heir.
Documents and possessions:
Photocopy of certificate of discharge
writing box
beer jug held by Phil Ely
1875
George
H
Robinson
Son - living at 14 Welbeck ave, Liverpool (1996 - source: May Jack's daughter)
George lived in Liverpool and worked for the Liverpool Corporation Tramways.
He had one son and a daughter
Married Elizabeth, children Elsie, Catherine, Jack and May
Source, 1901 census, living with parents aged 26 45 Janet street, conductor
1893
Jack
Robinson
Married Elizabeth
He served in the 1914 - 18 war, and was in the trenches.
His daughter May is in regular contact with Mary Dalrymple . Her first husband was Rob Emmett, son John Emmett. Rob Emmett ran a string of pork butchers' shops in Liverpool.
Jack came from Leek in Staffs (WindyGates)
Possibly named John on the 1901 census
1886
Thomas
Robinson
1901 Census, was living at 45 Janet Street and working in a shop
1888 - 1917
William
Robinson
29
29
Was Lance Corporal - East Lancashire Regiment (8th Bat) took part in a big advance on the Somme - Aug 1916
Documents and possessions:
Last letter written to mother Hannah August 24th 1916 held by Phil Ely.
1881
Herbert
Robinson
1901 Census, living with parents at 45 Janet Street West Derby, possibly a general carter
1830
Charlotte
Mathers
(who originated from Dublin) died 1904. Both died in Dublin
1832 - 1903
David
Fawcett
Abernethy
71
71
Farmer
Came from a farm in Little Bray - Southern Ireland to Liverpool looking for work. Died at age approx. 40
Source of some info...
http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?abernethy::dalrymple::163.html
Info below & much of that above from email from David Abernethy (MAbrnthy@aol.com)
Email from David Abernethy
Charlotte Helena Abernethy was his grandfather's sister.
The family appeared to have been brought up in Kings County, Tipperary, Dublin and England. They were of the Church of Ireland/Protestant faith and seemed to have had some military connections. The family seem to have been fairly fragmented and little contact appears to have been maintained prior to their relatively early deaths. Charlotte's father David is believed to have travelled on a number of occasions to Canada, but always returned. His occupation in records has been given at various times, as a gentleman, a farmer and also a milk dealer.
I do believe that there were other siblings born but despite extensive searching have not been able to ascertain the name of any of these. I also believe that emigration played a significant part in the families dispersion.
Charlotte was known to have been in service in Bootle, Liverpool in 1881 ( 1881 Census)
David Abernethy was not aware that she spent time at Little Bray, South Dublin before arriving at Liverpool.
1862 - 1918
Walter
Abernethy
56
56
1855 - 1926
Margaret
Abernethy
71
71
Margaret
Abernethy
Grandmother of my grandmother's grandmother
1854 - 1912
John
Abernethy
58
58
D. 1919
Emily
Abernethy
Emily (Later Hamm) birth date 1850-60 - died 1919
1888
Charles
Dalrymple
Lived in Liverpool, was an apprentice cabinet maker with Waring and Gallow Source: Letter from Helena, his grand daughter (attached)
1890 - 1963
William
Dalrymple
73
73
Jane
Mussell
Kathleen
Bristow
1888
Mabel
Dalrymple
1842 - 1894
Sarah
Thompson
52
52
1840 - 1912
Charles
Dalrymple
72
72
Charles Dalrymple
1871 census: 20 Duncan St Liverpool, 30 yrs old
1881 census RG11/3626 2 peel place liverpool
No Wife listed but married.
Relation to Head of Family Condition as to Marriage Age Last Birthday Sex
Boarder W 60 M
Profession or Occupation Employment Status Infirmity
Cabinet Maker Journey Man
Where Born Address
Liverpool Lancs 6 Harrowby St
Civil Parish Rural District
Toxteth Park
Town or Village or Hamlet Parliamentary Borough or Division
East Toxteth
Ecclesiastical Parish Administrative County
St Margaret Liverpool C B
1867
James
Dalrymple
1869
Jane
Dalrymple
1803
Jane
Dossett
1795
James
Dalrymple
1849 edition Gore's - address 6 Park Place
1861 census 66 yrs old 108 Rathbone st Liverpool
Born Scotland
1838
Mary
William
Thompson
Hannah
Griffiths
1807 - 1877
Ellen
Wardle
70
70
1801 - 1881
Thomas
Robinson
80
80
Lived at Neilds and Thorney Leigh, Leek Frith
Could mean ThornLeigh Hall
Was a labourer and part time farmer
Source: Geoff Webb
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.robinson/6588.1.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx
1861 Census was living in Upper Hulme
1776 - 1822
Sarah
White
46
46
1759 - 1850
John
Faulkner
Robinson
91
91
Blackshaws Moor Farm, Leek Frith, Staffordshire.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.robinson/6588.1.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx
Source: Geoff Webb
John Falkenor ROBINSON was christened at Leek on the 6th of October 1759 an illegitimate son of Elizabeth ROBINSON. Leek is a city located in the northern part of Staffordshire County, central England with a current population of around twenty thousand. Illegitimate children were quite common in 18th century Britain and Elizabeth ROBINSON is believed to have given birth to several infants out of wedlock, including a Samuel ROBINSON who was born in 1762.
On the 12th of March 1800 John ROBINSON married Sarah WHITE, who originated from nearby Horton and was sixteen years John's junior. The couple settled on a forty-acre property named Bank Top Farm in the parish of Leek Frith. Leek Frith makes up the northern most point of Staffordshire and adjoins the counties of Cheshire and Derbyshire.
This portion of Staffordshire is hilly, picturesque and renown for its bleak and sudden climate changes, which have claimed many unprepared travellers and locals alike. Today the parish's main village named Meerbrook has a population of just a few hundred and is situated a few English miles to the north of Leek. Bank Top Farm lies approximately two kilometres to the north of the township of Meerbrook and four kilometres to the south east of the Cheshire county border.
John and Sarah ROBINSON's family was one of three with the ROBINSON surname, who resided in and around Meerbrook at that time. Another family descended from a William ROBINSON who was born at Meerbrook in 1773, the youngest of six known children of Thomas and Mary ROBINSON. Thomas ROBINSON is believed to have been a brother or cousin of the above-mentioned Elizabeth ROBINSON. John and William ROBINSON gave their children similar names including three of their sons Thomas, William and Joseph.
The children of both ROBINSON families were predominantly yeoman farmers; that is owner-occupiers of small properties, some as small as ten acres. Land changed hands on a regular basis in those days, as folk died suddenly and/or married into neighbouring families.
John and Sarah's sixth and last child Joseph was born in 1812 and around 1815 Bank Top was sold to neighbour James HINE. The ROBINSONs purchased a property named Blackshaw's Moor Farm (163 acres) from a William RIDER. The farm was located around three kilometres to the south east of Bank Top. The estate was originally positioned inside the western parish boundary of Tittesworth, however a border change in 1882 officially moved the farm into Leek Frith. Blackshaw's Moor Farm is situated two kilometres north east of the outskirts of the city of Leek. It was at Blackshaw's Moor that Mrs Sarah ROBINSON died on the 8th of October 1822 aged just forty-six years.
The 1841 census named John ROBINSON as eighty plus years, residing at Blackshaw's Moor Farm with his second son also named John and young John's family. Of the farm's four boarding farm labourers, they included a William and Thomas ROBINSON who were a son and a grandson of the previously mentioned William ROBINSON (b 1773). Over the years many of the cousins' teenage children worked as agricultural labourers on their relatives' farms. The 1881 census listed William's youngest son Ralph (b 1822) as the owner of Bank Top Farm (47 acres).
Mr John ROBINSON died at Blackshaw's Moor Farm on the 26th of August 1850 aged approximately ninety-one years; depending on which you believe, his death certificate, his tombstone or the St Matthews Meerbrook church records? He was buried in St Matthew's Cemetery with his grandson Robert ROBINSON, who died two years later aged eighteen years.
John and Sarah ROBINSON named their eldest son Thomas (b 1801) and Thomas married Ellen WARDLE from Ipstones. Ipstones is situated around fifteen kilometres to the east of Meerbrook and Thomas is believed to have been working on his Uncle William ROBINSON's farm at the time of the couple's marriage. Thomas and Ellen had nine children born at a variety of locations between Ipstones and Leek Frith. Thomas was perhaps the least successful of John senior's four sons, working as a farm labourer much of his life, before living in semi-retirement on a property named Waterhouse, Leek Frith in the late 1860s.
In contrast John and Sarah's youngest sons William (b 1809) and Joseph (b 1812) were both very successful farmers, owning properties named Windy Gates and Prospect in Leek Frith. William's estate was located just two kilometres to the north of Blackshaw's Moor and at a sizable 200 acres; it was one of the largest in the district. William had eleven children, including twin girls who died when they were just a few weeks old. William's only surviving son Joseph took over Windy Gates when William died in 1886.
As previously mentioned, John senior's second son was also named John (b 1802) and it is from his family that we descend. John ROBINSON junior married Elizabeth WORTHINGTON on the 29th of December 1830 at Leek. Elizabeth was the second child of Thomas and Ruth WORTHINGTON nee DEAVILL, who were farmers at Whitehouse in the parish of Onecote. The village of Onecote (or Oncote) is similar in size to Meerbrook and located around seven kilometres to the east of Leek. Whitehouse farm is situated on the western boundary of the parish and located less than half an English mile to the south east of the ROBINSON's property.
John and Elizabeth ROBINSON's first child was born the year after their marriage while the couple were living on the outskirts of Leek and the ROBINSONs named her Sarah. In 1832 John and Elizabeth moved in with John's father at Blackshaw's Moor Farm and it was at there that their remaining eight children were born. All nine offspring survived infancy and at the time of the 1851 census, all with the exception of the couple's second daughter Ruth, were living on the family property. By then the family property was a sizable 163 acres.
Unfortunately for the ROBINSONs their good fortunes were short lived when John ROBINSON junior died suddenly after a five-week bout of bronchitis, on the 28th of April 1853. Young John was just fifty-one and following his passing the family went their separate ways. Eldest daughter Sarah married a local farmer named William BROUGH of Hazelwood House in March 1859. The family's youngest son Ralph went to work for his Uncle Thomas ROBINSON.
By the 1861 census the farm had been sold and Mrs Elizabeth ROBINSON and her daughter Mary had retired to a sixteen-acre property at nearby Nether Hay, on the southern outskirts of the hamlet of Upperhulme. The ROBINSON's oldest son John had moved his farming interests to Macclesfield, Cheshire, where he operated a 50-acre property with the assistance of his sister Ruth and younger brother William. The ROBINSON's second son Joseph took up farming at nearby Henbury with his sister Hannah and the ROBINSON's youngest sibling Ralph.
In 1862 Ruth married John PIMLOTT, whose family also originated from Leek Frith. In 1864 young Mary married Charles BROWN at Macclesfield, Cheshire. Charles was a travelling draper who originated from Dumphrieshire, Scotland. The BROWNs resided at number 8 Kings Street in the Staffordshire city of Newcastle Under Lyme, where their two children where born. In 1868 Mary died suddenly and her mother moved in to take care of the BROWN children. Her son Ralph joined the family, working as a draper for Charles BROWN.
In 1869 Ruth and John PIMLOTT together with young William ROBINSON migrated to Victoria, Australia. Joseph moved to Liverpool where he married Fanny BUTLER from Gloucester and became a bookkeeper. A few years later Mrs Elizabeth ROBINSON moved back to Leek Frith to be with her daughter Sarah. Sarah was widowed with three children in January 1869, when she was two months pregnant.
In the 1880s, Elizabeth returned to Newcastle where she lived with her son Ralph. Ralph continued working as a travelling tailor, residing at number 5 Castle Street and marrying widow Maria BLOXHAM nee DERRINGTON. Ralph and Maria had just one son William and the family remained at Castle Street until Ralph's passing in1909. The final whereabouts of the ROBINSON's children, John, Joseph, Elizabeth and Hannah remain unknown, perhaps they also migrated overseas?
Mrs Elizabeth ROBINSON died at Castle Street on the 15th of February 1889 aged eighty-five years. She was buried with her husband John in St Matthew's Cemetery. Both John junior and his father's tombstones have survived the elements of time and still stand today. Although farm acreages were unable to support most of John senior's descendants, a handful remained in the district, at least until recent times.
For the last twenty years Blackshaw's Moor Farm has been a training camp for the British scouting association and military personnel.
1802 - 1853
John
Robinson
51
51
Geoff Webb descended from John webb@netconnect.com.au
Phil,
I am a descendant of John (1802-1853) and Elizabeth (1804-89) ROBINSON nee WORTHINGTON and there second youngest child William ROBINSON (1844-1918). I will have a look at your site over the next few days. It is unusual that you mention your family had a military background. My father's Aunty Kate and Uncle William R. ROBINSON both served in the in the Boer War and Aunt Kate was also in WW1 and WW2. Uncle William never returned from the Boer War we believe he married a local girl and had one daughter before he ran away from her. Dad also had a second Aunt who was in WW1
John ROBINSON junior married Elizabeth WORTHINGTON on the 29th of December 1830 at Leek. Elizabeth was the second child of Thomas and Ruth WORTHINGTON nee DEAVILL, who were farmers at Whitehouse in the parish of Onecote. The village of Onecote (or Oncote) is similar in size to Meerbrook and located around seven kilometres to the east of Leek. Whitehouse farm is situated on the western boundary of the parish and located less than half an English mile to the south east of the ROBINSON's property.
John and Elizabeth ROBINSON's first child was born the year after their marriage while the couple were living on the outskirts of Leek and the ROBINSONs named her Sarah. In 1832 John and Elizabeth moved in with John's father at Blackshaw's Moor Farm and it was at there that their remaining eight children were born. All nine offspring survived infancy and at the time of the 1851 census, all with the exception of the couple's second daughter Ruth, were living on the family property. By then the family property was a sizable 163 acres.
1809 - 1886
William
Robinson
77
77
Owned Windy Gates
William had eleven children, including twin girls who died when they were just a few weeks old. William's only surviving son Joseph took over Windy Gates when William died in 1886.
Source: Geoff Webb
1836 - 1906
William
Dalrymple
70
70
From my Dad:
Walters grandfather Charles had a brother William, born 1836.
In 1871 he was in Bradford with his family and was a cigar maker, his wife Catherine was born in Castleton on the Isle of Man. She died in 1874 and William married again to Margaret Davidson in Everton. In 1885 they were in Conchan, Isle of Man where several children were born, one of which was Gertrude in 1887.
In 1889 Gertrude was at the Arnot Street School in Liverpool and in 1911 she was with her Aunt in Cheshire. In 1914 she married James H Elliott in Tynemouth. They had a son, Leslie Dalrymple Elliott ( and maybe other children) and that Leslie married Violet Lea in Liverpool in 1945. I met Les and Vi from time to time and they came to Italy once on holiday. He was a professional photographer, retired by the time I knew him, I think, and I remember, on one occasion when we went to their house in Childwall, him showing me a top of the range Hasselblad camera that he used. As far as I know he wasn’t a fashion photographer but had pictures in magazines like the London Illustrated News. I have often wondered how my mother and Leslie were related and it was just by coincidence that I came across the name Elliott researching Gertie and Jim. I still don’t know what relativel her Great Uncles Grandson was and it surprises me that she would be in contact with such a distant relative. There is a reference to a Leslie Elliott at St Pauls Infant School, Byle St, Toxteth being admitted to St Micheals (another school?) in 1922.
Elizabeth
Robinson
Source: Geoff Webb
John Falkenor ROBINSON was christened at Leek on the 6th of October 1759 an illegitimate son of Elizabeth ROBINSON. Leek is a city located in the northern part of Staffordshire County, central England with a current population of around twenty thousand. Illegitimate children were quite common in 18th century Britain and Elizabeth ROBINSON is believed to have given birth to several infants out of wedlock, including a Samuel ROBINSON who was born in 1762
1812
Joseph
Robinson
1837 - 1913
Joseph
Robinson
76
76
Source: Geoff Webb
William had eleven children, including twin girls who died when they were just a few weeks old. William's only surviving son Joseph took over Windy Gates when William died in 1886.
Marriage (five children)
Wedding
(a child)
(a child)
(a child)
(a child)
Marriage (four children)
Wedding
Marriage (a child)
Wedding
(a child)
Wedding
1834
1891 - 1965
Samuel
Charles
Ely
73
73
Born at: Nettlebed, Oxfordshire
On the 1911 census he was working as a gardener at Irwin Water, Welwyn, Herts for sir Otto Beit with 3 other gardeners.
Married at: Leatherhead Parish Church
On: 16 August 1913
When he married at the age of 23, he was a florist. Edith, his first wife was a dairy assistant. He did not fight in WW1, and worked in an ammunition factory. Later, he worked for Lyons as a buyer. He would buy greengroceries at Covent Garden to supply the restaurants owned by Lyons. He later owned a greengrocery in W.Byfleet. He retired in 1956. Kenneth took over. On his death Certificate, he was described as a master Greengrocer.
Was widowed.
His second wife was Kathleen Bristow. The bureau which we have belonged to her. He died aged 74at st. Peter's hospital, Chertsey. His ashes are buried at St. John's Church, W.Byfleet, the garden of remembrance
1887
May E
Ely
Born in Balham, Surrey
Source: 1891 Census - image under Samuel Ely Family
According to the 1901 census she was born in 1887. In 1901, age 14, she was a pupil teacher.
Married Aaron Green, bricklayer in 1908 in Midhurst
Was at 3, Grassmere Villas at Lightwater in 1911with son Harold (1910)
In 1939 May and Aaron at 2, Pineview Cottages, Grassmere Rd, Lightwater, also with Samuel (1863, Widower)
1883
Ethel
A Ely
Born in Upminster, Essex
Source: 1891 Census - image under Samuel Ely Family
In 1901 was a parlour maid at the Williams Family (clergyman) at teh Rectory, Aylesbury In 1910, married Frank Raynor, grocers' assistant in Midhurst, living close to Patworth.
In 1911 they were at Sycamore Cottage, High Street, Bagshott.
She possibly dies in Staines District in 1944.
Frank possibly dies in 1941 in the Royal Army Service Corps.
1884
Harold
G Ely
Born in Balham, Surrey
Source: 1891 Census - image under Samuel Ely Family
Florence
Gertrude
1852
Walter
1855
Susan
1790 - 1871
Joseph
Ely
81
81
Married Lucy at Cowlinge age 22. Recorded as agricultural labourer.
By 1851 the had moved to Upper Green, Little Thurlow.
Son Samuel aged 33 and Charles, 21, daughter Harriet with them.
In 1861 Joseph and Lucy were at Old Hall, Bradley Place, Little Bradley, both aged 70. All the family have departed. Joseph still recorded as a labourer.
In 1871, they were at Overgreen Farm, Little Thurlow. Joseph died the same year.
1791
Lucy
Starling
1830
Charles
1833
Harriet
Herbert
Williams
E
Edith Roffe obituary says brother E
R
Edith Roffe obituary says brother R
S
Edith Roffe obituary says brother S
1844 - 1918
William
74
74
Geoff Webb's G Grandfather
From Geoff:
Just where my g grandfather William ROBINSON (1844-1918) got his money from I don't know, but he was also a very sucessfull farmer here in Victoria, Australia.
Hannah
May
May was my great grandmother's cousin, but some 23 years younger and roughly the same age as my grandmother.
My grandma used to speak of May a lot. I have some of their letters.
Likely born circa 1920
Her first husband was Rob Emmett, son John Emmett
Son of Hannah not William
Jenny
Stacey
Son Bert, Liverpool solicitor
Polly
Margaret
Davidson
1887
Gertrude
In 1889 Gertrude was at the Arnot Street School in Liverpool and in 1911 she was with her Aunt in Cheshire. In 1914 she married James H Elliott in Tynemouth. They had a son, Leslie Dalrymple Elliott ( and maybe other children) and that Leslie married Violet Lea in Liverpool in 1945. I met Les and Vi from time to time and they came to Italy once on holiday. He was a professional photographer, retired by the time I knew him, I think, and I remember, on one occasion when we went to their house in Childwall, him showing me a top of the range Hasselblad camera that he used. As far as I know he wasn’t a fashion photographer but had pictures in magazines like the London Illustrated News. I have often wondered how my mother and Leslie were related and it was just by coincidence that I came across the name Elliott researching Gertie and Jim. I still don’t know what relativel her Great Uncles Grandson was and it surprises me that she would be in contact with such a distant relative. There is a reference to a Leslie Elliott at St Pauls Infant School, Byle St, Toxteth being admitted to St Micheals (another school?) in 1922.
James
H Elliot
1915
Leslie
Elliot
Violet
Lea
1892
Violet
Ely
Born in Nettlebed and at home in 1901 and 1911 Censuses
1892
Daisy
Ely
Born in Nettlebed (twin to Violet?) - at home in 1901, in 1911 was nurse to Alice Rose Burgess at Hillside, Bracknell
1895
Ernest
Ely
Born Nettlebed, in 1911 (age 15) was a gardener at White Horse Yard, Storrington, for Albert Cooper
1898
Rose
Ely
At Lavington in 1911.
In 1939 was at Cambridge Road, Malden, a mail order clerk, with Eric, a Fruiterers' Manager.
1901 - 1916
Jessie
Ely
15
15
1769 - 1808
James
Ely
39
39
After marrying Alice at age 21, they moved to Cowlinge and had 8 children. Likely that James was an agricultural labourer.
He re-married sge 36 to Mary Hazel
D. 1803
Alice
Went
1740 - 1835
Joseph
95
95
Had 8 children, some born in Gedding, some in Rattlesdon, though Rattlesden may be a parish area covering many villages.
Harriet
Pratt
Mary
Hazel
1806
Mary
Ely
Richard
Ely
James
Ely
George
Ely
James
Boyles
1874
Joseph
Rutledge
Ran the Sussex Hotel in Hurstpierpoint
1907
Eric
James
Ely
1813 - 1898
Joseph
Ely
85
85
Ann
Revall
1815 - 1871
George
Ely
56
56
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