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Married:  01 August 1964
Shamley Green, Surrey 1969 Jane Katrine Ely 1917 - 2003 Mary (Mollie) Dalrymple 86 86 1919 - 1998 Kenneth Allen Ely 78 78 Born at: Durlston Rd, Kingston

Married on: 14 March 1942
At: St. Anne's, Stanley, Liverpool

He was posted in Jersey as a gunner to the Middlesex Regiment. At the start of WW2, and evacuated when the Germans invaded in 1942. At the roll call back in the UK, he claimed he was a driver. as no-one was the wiser, that is what he became! He spent the rest of the war in the UK driving a corporal around! He was posted in Liverpool, where he met my grandma, Mollie. He was arrested once for "borrowing" the car to go and visit her! They married, and my Father, Keith Ely was born nine months and three days later! Soon, Mollie moved south with Keith to live with Ken in West Byfleet with his parents, Samuel Charles and Edith. It was a large house attached to his shop. Soon, Ken's parents moved out, to be replaced by Ethel who was Samuel Charles' sister, her daughter and grandson. Malcolm was born. Samuel Charles and Edith moved back in, and due to friction with "mother-in-law", Ken and Mollie left to live in Hanworth. Unfortunately, there was still marital problems, and Mollie left Ken, and went with the children to live with her parents Walter and Mary in Brighton. After a while, ken bought his father's shop, snd Mollie was persuaded to move back in with him. My Father, Keith stayed in Brighton as he had just passed his 13+, and it was best for him to stay at grammar school there.
Ken sold the shop in Byfleet. Keith moved with them to the Forest Stores in Shamley Green where Ken was manager.
In June 1964 they bought the house in Roland Road, Cranleigh with Walter and Mary. The house cost £4000. Kentook out a £2000 mortgage, and he and Walter paid £1000 each.
In August 1971, Ken, Mollie and Mary moved to Shalford. Walter had died.
Ken now ran a small grocery shop at Weybridge Station. I used to work there on Saturdays.
Ken had a heart attack in the mid 1980's.
In July 1988, Ken and Mollie moved to Alfold. Mary had died.
in 1994, they moved again to Billingshurst.

Words from his wife:
I MET KEN EARLY IN 1940.  THE SECOND WORLD WAR STARTED ON SEPT. 1939.  I WAS AT THAT TIME EMPLOYED AS MANAGERESS BY A MR. FERENSIDE IN HIS SHOP AT CHILDWALL FIVE WAYS.  THE SHOP WAS A SWEETS, TOBACCO AND NEWSAGENT.

KEN WAS STATIONED WITH THE MIDDLESEX REGIMENT ON THE CHILDWALL ESTATE (THE SHOP AFTER THE WAR WAS BOUGHT BY THE BANK WHICH WAS NEXT DOOR TO THE SHOP).  THE SOLDIERS, OF WHICHEVER REGIMENT STATIONED THERE WOULD FREQUENT THE SHOP.  KEN OF COURSE WAS ONE OF THEM.  AT THE TIME HE HAD A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER (was fed up – sic.ed).  HE HAD, BY ALL ACCOUNT, JUST RETURNED TO THE UNIT AFTER A MONTH OF DETENTION IN THE ARMY DETENTION BARRACKS AT SHEPTON MALLET IN SOMERSET.

THE STORY GOES THAT AS A BATMAN/DRIVER FOR ONE OF THE OFFICERS AND HAD CHARGE OF A MOTOR VEHICLE.  A SOLDIER IN THE SAME HUT AS KEN WAS EXPECTING HIS WIFE TO ARRIVE AT LIME STREET STATION, PLUS BAGGAGE ETC.  AND HE ASKED KEN IF THEY COULD USE THE VEHICLE TO MEET HER.  THEY MUST HAVE KNOWN THAT THIS WAS AN OFFENCE AGAINST ARMY RULES TO DO THIS.

DURING THE RETURN FROM LIME STREET STATION THE VEHICLE RAN OUT OF PETROL.  KEN PHONED THE BARRACKS AND THE 'RED CAPS' ARMY POLICE ARRIVED AND KEN WAS PUT ON A 'CHARGE' A CHARGE MORE SERIOUS BECAUSE HE HAD LEFT HIS RIFLE IN THE LOCKED VEHICLE.  NEVER-THE-LESS, ON HIS RETURN TO HIS UNIT HE STILL HAD THE BATMAN/DRIVER JOB.

BEFORE THE COMPANY MOVED FROM LIVERPOOL TO BARRACKS IN SURREY/HAMPSHIRE KEN WAS OFTEN AT THE HOUSE WHERE I LIVED IN DAVIDSON ROAD, OLD SWAN.

ONE DAY A SERGEANT MAJOR ARRIVED AT THE HOUSE.  KEN HAD BEEN CONFINED TO BARRACKS, THE CAR USED BY KEN FOR HIS OFFICER AND FOR COLLECTING POST ETC.  HAD BEEN MISSING THE EVENING PREVIOUS AND KEN HAD BEEN QUESTIONED HE HAD SAID THE HE HAD BEEN AT OUR HOUSE (ON FOOT) HAVING WALKED ME HOME FROM MY WORK AT THE SHOP.  MY FATHER HAD TO VOUCH THAT THIS WAS TRUE.  THEN MY FATHER TOLD KEN THAT HE WAS NEVER TO ARRIVE AT OUR HOUSE OTHER THAN ON FOOT OR BY PUBLIC TRANSPORT.

KEN HAD TOLD THE TRUTH AND I DON'T KNOW IF IT WAS EVER FOUND OUT WHO HAD USED THE CAR.

AFTER KEN LEFT LIVERPOOL WE KEPT IN TOUCH AND HE SPENT HIS ARMY LEAVE'S WITH MYSELF AND FAMILY IN LIVERPOOL.  IN MARCH 1942 WE MARRIED IN ST.  ANNES CHURCH, STANLEY, LIVERPOOL.  OUR WARTIME HONEYMOON WAS SPENT IN LLANDUDNO, NORTH WALES.  KEN HAD BEEN GIVEN THREE WEEKS LEAVE BECAUSE WHILE ON DUTY HE HAD A FALL, WHICH HAD CAUSED A BROKEN COLLARBONE.

I RETURNED TO WORK AND KEN BACK TO HIS UNIT WHICH WAS THEN AT BROADSTAIRS KENT.  I WAS THEN WORKING AT THE R.O.F. FACTORY IN THE 'REGISTRY' DEPT.  WHICH I WILL WRITE OF LATER.  WHILE KEN WAS STATIONED AT BROADSTAIRS HE TOOK ILL AND WAS IN HOSPITAL FOR SOME WEEKS SUFFERING WITH A DUODENAL ULCER WHICH LED TO HIS ARMY DISCHARGE.  THIS WAS IN SEPTEMBER 1943.

KEITH HAD BEEN BORN IN DECEMBER 1942 WHILE I WAS LIVING WITH MY PARENTS IN DAVIDSON ROAD
 1944 Malcolm Walter Ely 1891 - 1952 Edith Anne Roffe 61 61 Her father was station master at Leatherhead, living in the LBSC Station House. He was also stationmaster at Worthing, Petworth, and Norwood. Kenneth Ely can remember seeing him in his uniform of top hat and spats!
During WW2, she served for 2 years as the chairman of the Byfleet and Pyrford board of trade, the only woman accorded the honour.
She is buried at st. Mary's churchyard. 1914 - 1996 Muriel Edith Ely 81 81 Never Married

Notes
She was born in Kingston, Probably Richmond Rd. She was in the ATS during WW2.
She died aged 82

Lived in Wisbech - close friend owned the flat below
Last address was 21 Duncan Court Sheringham, Norfolk
 Albert Edward Roffe Her father was station master at Leatherhead, living in the LBSC Station House. He was also stationmaster at Worthing, Petworth, and Norwood. Kenneth Ely can remember seeing him in his uniform of top hat and spats!  1862 Eliza Ellen Rutledge Brothers and sisters George Bettey Thomas  1863 - 1944 Samuel Ely 81 81 Born at Thurlow, Suffolk.  In 1871 cencus he was in Hainhault

In 1881 aged 18, he was boarding with the Boyles family, a boot maker.  9, Church Street, Lee, Lewisham.
Samuel's sister Susan married James Boyles.

Married on:  19 February 1882
At:  Bethnal Green - Church of St. James the great

1881 census of Kent
9 Church St Lee London

The Boyles household
Samuel Ely 18yrs Boarder domestic servant b.Thurlow Suffolk

He married at the age of 20 (1863) at Bethnal Green .

They then moved to Upminster, where Ethel A. Was born. (1883).
By 1884, they had moved to Balham, when Harold G was born, and three years later.
In 1887, May E was born.
By 1890, they had moved to the Grove Estate in Nettlebed, where Samuel was employed as head gardener at Joyce Grove (Joyce Grove Cottages no.2 src 1901 census). (owned by a Mr. Gardener). Here Samuel Charles was born (father of Kenneth.) Jessica was born in 1897. Around 1907.
The family moved to Lavington House (now Seaford College), W.Sussex, where Samuel worked for Lord Woolavington.

In 1939 (age 76) he was with May (daughter) and Aaron at 2, Pineview Cottages, Grassmere Rd, Lightwater, a widower.

He is buried next to Eliza and one of his daughters Jessica, (who died at the age of 13, in 1910) at the Parish Church of St. Nicholas, Itchingfield, Sussex. Died age 82.

Note from Tim Challinor:

 Yvonne April Beale 1967 Sharon Maxine Ely 1970 Grant Ely Joseph Rutledge Deceased on marriage cert.  of Eliza dated 1882 1827 Hannah Rush 1818 - 1890 Samuel Ely 72 72 n the 1851 census he was in Upper Green, Little Thurlow with his parents, aged 33.
By 1861 he was married to Hannah and was at Overgreen, Little Thurlow.  Interesting that in 1871, his father Joseph had moved in to Overgreen.
In the 1871 census he was living in Hainault, Chadwell, Barking - about 50 miles south.  What prompted that move?
Labourer at Hainhault Farm, living at Hainhault cottage no.3
682 acres, 31 labourers and 6 boys.  William Lapwood was an engine driver on the farm.  His wife Mary came from Thurlow. 1892 - 1966 Walter Dalrymple 73 73 Documents and possessions:
Woodworking tool cabinet and tools held by Allen Keith Ely
Pair of wooden candlesticks made by Walter held by Phil Ely
Waring & Gillows trade was French polisher
 1897 - 1984 Mary Robinson 86 86  Was brought up by her grandparents Hannah Williams and Henry Robinson in Liverpool after her father Henry was killed.  She was given to an orphanage at the age of 6. 

Source, the 1911 census shows her at the Girls' Preventative Home, 9 Aigburth Street

At 16 she went into "service" firstly to a Greek family, then as an under-nanny to the son of Lord and Lady Dudley Forward .
While away on holiday to Liverpool she met Walter Dalrymple, who she later married in 1916.  She never rturned to London.

She is buried in Cranleigh cemetery 1865 William Hugh Dalrymple 1867 - 1906 Charlotte Helena Abernethy 39 39 Married at St. Saviour's, Liverpool 1 Aug 1887

She was my Great Grandfather Walter's mother, and died when he was only 14, she was 40.

Email from David Abernethy:

Phil,

Received your e-mails of 24/01/2002 and 3/02/2002.  As stated in my initial
e-mail reply Charlotte Helena Abernethy was my grandfather's sister of whom I
know very little.Despite my endeavours over the past few years to find out
further information on Charlotte my efforts were less than  fruitful.

The Margaret Abernethy on the e-mail referred in fact to my wife.

Charlotte was one of 5 known children as follows:-

John born 1854 - died 1912
Margaret born 1855 died 1926
Emily birth date unknown - died 1919
Walter (my grandfather) born 1862 - died 1918
Charlotte Helena born 1866 - died 1906.

Their parents were David Fawcett Abernethy died 1903 and Charlotte Mathers
(who originated from Dublin) died 1904.  Both died in Dublin.

The family appeared to have been brought up in Kings County, Tipperary,
Dublin and England.  They were of the Church of Ireland/Protestant faith and
seemed to have had some military connections. The family seem to have been
fairly fragmented and little contact appears to have been maintained prior to
their relatively early deaths. Charlotte's father David is believed to have
travelled on a number of occasions to Canada, but always returned.  His
occupation in records has been given at various times, as a gentleman, a
farmer and also a milk dealer.

I do  believe that there were other siblings born but despite extensive
searching have not been able to ascertain the name of any of these.  I also
believe that  emigration played a significant part in the families dispersion
and that Charlotte had at least two children, Walter ( your ancestor) and
possibly one called Charles. Charlotte was known to have been in service in
Bootle, Liverpool in 1881  ( 1881 Census), but I was not aware that she spent
time at Little Bray, South Dublin before arriving at Liverpool.

Being born in 1942, I was brought up with the knowledge that Charlotte Helena
Dalrymple nee Abernethy had been married to a cabinet maker, but this was all
I was aware of until about 2 years ago. My grandfather, Walter Abernethy,
whom I never knew died at 57 of sclerosis of the liver (Bright's Disease). 
In reference to Charlotte Helena Dalrymple's death certificate, it shows that
her death in 1909 was caused by the same condition when aged just 40. You
mentioned in your e-mail that perhaps Walter Dalrymple was named after my
grandfather Walter.  I think that  this was would be the case, as other
members of the Abernethy family have continued the name.

I was pleasantly surprised to see a picture of my father's Aunt, 93 years
after she had died and presume that further information and images of her
family i.e. Abernethys do not exist as far as you know.

I would also be interested to learn how you became aware of the Little Bray
information as this may assist me in further research which has for the past
18 months - 2 years, as far as the Abernethy family members are concerned,
been unfruitful.  With regards your query as to whether there is anything you
could/should look for at Little Bray I cannot assist at all, as this was an
area as stated that until your contact, was unknown to me.

I may in the near future take the opportunity of speaking to your grandmother
prior to the pending cessation of my family tree research.

Hope this information is useful to you.

                                                 Regards,



                                                                        
David and Margaret Abernethy

Possible match...?

Charlotte Leana Abernethy
Age in 1881:    15 
Age months:    0 
Estimated birth year:    abt 1866 
Relationship to head-of-household:    Servant 
Household:    View other family members
Family and neighbors:    View neighbors 
Gender:    Female 
Where born:    Ireland
Address:    5 Cranworth St 
Civil parish:    Bootle Cum Linacre 
County/Island:    Lancashire 
Condition as to marriage:    Unknown 
Occupation:    Domestic Servant 
Education:    View Image
Employment status:    View Image
Source information:    RG11/3691 
Registration district:    West Derby 
Sub-registration district:    Walton 
Cathleen Clancey She didn't/was unable to look after my great grandma as a baby, and gave her to her grandparents to bring up.

She did attend my grandparents Ken and Mollie's wedding. 1879 - 1900 Henry Robinson 21 21 He had a relationship at the end of December 1896 (aged just 17) with a girl called Cathleen Clancy.   She became pregnant and gave birth to Mary.

He served in the Royal marines light infantry, and was killed in the Boxer rebellion in defense of Lecations, Taku Forts at Tientsin near Peking. There is a memorial to those who died from his ship, the H.M.S. Orlando in Victoria Park,Park Road
Portsea, Portsmouth.

According to the military record, on 4 Feb 97 he tried to join the Royal Marines Light Infantry (RMLI).  He was too young, and on his 18th birthday 15 April 1897 he joined up.

The pictures attached were taken at Deal, Kent.

He was then transferred to Portsmouth and on the 25th August 1898 (just 2 days before his daughter was born), departed for China on HMS Barfleur.

According to the casualty list, Henry was killed on 17th June1900 at Langfang from a bullet to the head, being the first Marine through the front gates of the college which they had broken down.  This is at odds with the memorial at Portsmouth and the following telegraph that claim he was killed at Tientsin rather than in Seymour’s column. 


See attached images of accounts in newspapers of the time detailing the assault on teh collage and detailing his name.

Towards the Admiralty arch end of the Mall in London is a statue dedicated to Royal Marines Light Infantry casualties in South Africa and China. On the sides are bas-reliefs of fighting during the siege of Tianjin. Source: http://www.findarticles.com/cf_0/m1373/8_50/63986758/print.jhtml


There was a film made about this rebellion called 55 days to Peking starring Charlton Heston.

Quote from letter from May to Mary Ely:
"Grandfather always used to have a saying, as a little boy, he would say to him: "Henry, that head of yours would stop a bullet"

Henry's military records are held in the public records office, Kew, archive ADM159/15.  The ships log, detailing all happenings are in archive ADM53.

HMS Orlando:
Was sold to Ward's of Morecombe in 1905. 
Heavy Armoured Cruiser
56,000 tonnes
2 x 9" guns
10x6" guns
10x3lb guns

From his military record:  5' 6 3/4" tall.
 1850 - 1929 Hannah Williams 79 79 1881 Census RG11/3646  4 Gwydir St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

Parents from Wales

Hannah and her husband Henry are buried in West Derby cemetery
1846 - 1922 Henry Robinson 76 76 1881 Census RG11/3646  4 Gwydir St, Toxteth Park, Lancashire, England

Railway Carter

Apr 1888 lived 19 Southampton St Toxteth Park (Src son William's birth Cert.)


Feb 1897 lived in Edge Hill (Parish of West Derby) (src Henry (son's) military record.

In 1901 they were living at 45 Janet Street West Derby.  Henry was a Drayman, wines and spirits.  Mary was listed as their daughter.  See Census under pictures.
 Laura Griffiths I had birth date 1783 but can't be right as she wouldn't have had Hannah at 67 years old William Williams 1854 - 1933 William Williams 79 79 He was discharged from the ship "Sarah Elizabeth" aged 20 on the 3/08/1874 at Mostyn

In 1915 was living 20 Lomond Road, Edge Lane, Liverpool (src pension letter)

1933 was living 27 Davidson Rd Old Swan Liverpool (src last will & testament) age 79?

Rescued the son of  Lord Mostyn? from drowning in a river, And was sent to school as a reward. Entered the customs service.

Nanny (Mary) Dalrymple was his heir. 
Documents and possessions:
Photocopy of certificate of discharge
writing box
beer jug held by Phil Ely

 1875 George H Robinson   Son -  living at   14 Welbeck ave, Liverpool (1996 - source: May Jack's daughter)

George lived in Liverpool and worked for the Liverpool Corporation Tramways.
He had one son and a daughter
Married Elizabeth, children Elsie, Catherine, Jack and May

Source, 1901 census, living with parents aged 26 45 Janet street, conductor
 1893 Jack Robinson Married Elizabeth

He served in the 1914 - 18 war, and was in the trenches.
His daughter May is in regular contact with Mary Dalrymple .  Her first husband was Rob Emmett, son John Emmett.  Rob Emmett ran a string of pork butchers' shops in Liverpool.

Jack came from Leek in Staffs (WindyGates)

Possibly named John on the 1901 census
 1886 Thomas Robinson 1901 Census, was living at 45 Janet Street and working in a shop 1888 - 1917 William Robinson 29 29 Was Lance Corporal - East Lancashire Regiment (8th Bat) took part in a big advance on the Somme - Aug 1916
Documents and possessions:
Last letter written to mother Hannah August 24th 1916 held by Phil Ely.

 1881 Herbert Robinson 1901 Census, living with parents at 45 Janet Street West Derby, possibly a general carter 1830 Charlotte Mathers (who originated from Dublin) died 1904. Both died in Dublin 1832 - 1903 David Fawcett Abernethy 71 71 Farmer
Came from a farm in Little Bray - Southern Ireland to Liverpool looking for work.  Died at age approx. 40

Source of some info...

http://genforum.genealogy.com/cgi-bin/pageload.cgi?abernethy::dalrymple::163.html

Info below & much of that above from email from David Abernethy (MAbrnthy@aol.com)

Email from David Abernethy

Charlotte Helena Abernethy was his grandfather's sister.

The family appeared to have been brought up in Kings County, Tipperary, Dublin and England. They were of the Church of Ireland/Protestant faith and seemed to have had some military connections. The family seem to have been fairly fragmented and little contact appears to have been maintained prior to their relatively early deaths. Charlotte's father David is believed to have travelled on a number of occasions to Canada, but always returned. His occupation in records has been given at various times, as a gentleman, a farmer and also a milk dealer.

I do believe that there were other siblings born but despite extensive searching have not been able to ascertain the name of any of these. I also believe that emigration played a significant part in the families dispersion. 

Charlotte was known to have been in service in Bootle, Liverpool in 1881 ( 1881 Census)

David Abernethy was not aware that she spent time at Little Bray, South Dublin before arriving at Liverpool.
1862 - 1918 Walter Abernethy 56 56 1855 - 1926 Margaret Abernethy 71 71 Margaret Abernethy Grandmother of my grandmother's grandmother 1854 - 1912 John Abernethy 58 58 D. 1919 Emily Abernethy Emily (Later Hamm) birth date 1850-60 - died 1919 1888 Charles Dalrymple Lived in Liverpool, was an apprentice cabinet maker with Waring and Gallow Source:  Letter from Helena, his grand daughter (attached) 1890 - 1963 William Dalrymple 73 73 Jane Mussell Kathleen Bristow 1888 Mabel Dalrymple 1842 - 1894 Sarah Thompson 52 52 1840 - 1912 Charles Dalrymple 72 72 Charles Dalrymple
1871 census:  20 Duncan St Liverpool, 30 yrs old

1881 census RG11/3626 2 peel place liverpool
No Wife listed but married.
         
Relation to Head of Family    Condition as to Marriage    Age Last Birthday    Sex    
Boarder     W    60    M    
Profession or Occupation    Employment Status    Infirmity    
Cabinet Maker    Journey Man         
Where Born    Address    
Liverpool Lancs    6 Harrowby St    
Civil Parish    Rural District    
Toxteth Park         
Town or Village or Hamlet    Parliamentary Borough or Division    
    East Toxteth    
Ecclesiastical Parish    Administrative County    
St Margaret    Liverpool C B 1867 James Dalrymple 1869 Jane Dalrymple 1803 Jane Dossett 1795 James Dalrymple 1849 edition Gore's - address 6 Park Place

1861 census 66 yrs old 108 Rathbone st Liverpool

Born Scotland 1838 Mary William Thompson Hannah Griffiths 1807 - 1877 Ellen Wardle 70 70 1801 - 1881 Thomas Robinson 80 80 Lived at Neilds and Thorney Leigh, Leek Frith
Could mean ThornLeigh Hall
Was a labourer and part time farmer
Source:  Geoff Webb
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.robinson/6588.1.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx
1861 Census was living in Upper Hulme 1776 - 1822 Sarah White 46 46 1759 - 1850 John Faulkner Robinson 91 91 Blackshaws Moor Farm, Leek Frith, Staffordshire.
https://www.ancestry.co.uk/boards/surnames.robinson/6588.1.2.2.2.1/mb.ashx
Source: Geoff Webb
John Falkenor ROBINSON was christened at Leek on the 6th of October 1759 an illegitimate son of Elizabeth ROBINSON.   Leek is a city located in the northern part of Staffordshire County, central England with a current population of around twenty thousand.  Illegitimate children were quite common in 18th century Britain and Elizabeth ROBINSON is believed to have given birth to several infants out of wedlock, including a Samuel ROBINSON who was born in 1762.  

On the 12th of March 1800 John ROBINSON married Sarah WHITE, who originated from nearby Horton and was sixteen years John's junior.   The couple settled on a forty-acre property named Bank Top Farm in the parish of Leek Frith.   Leek Frith makes up the northern most point of Staffordshire and adjoins the counties of Cheshire and Derbyshire.

This portion of Staffordshire is hilly, picturesque and renown for its bleak and sudden climate changes, which have claimed many unprepared travellers and locals alike.   Today the parish's main village named Meerbrook has a population of just a few hundred and is situated a few English miles to the north of Leek.  Bank Top Farm lies approximately two kilometres to the north of the township of Meerbrook and four kilometres to the south east of the Cheshire county border.

John and Sarah ROBINSON's family was one of three with the ROBINSON surname, who resided in and around Meerbrook at that time.  Another family descended from a William ROBINSON who was born at Meerbrook in 1773, the youngest of six known children of Thomas and Mary ROBINSON.  Thomas ROBINSON is believed to have been a brother or cousin of the above-mentioned Elizabeth ROBINSON.   John and William ROBINSON gave their children similar names including three of their sons Thomas, William and Joseph.

The children of both ROBINSON families were predominantly yeoman farmers; that is owner-occupiers of small properties, some as small as ten acres.   Land changed hands on a regular basis in those days, as folk died suddenly and/or married into neighbouring families.
 
John and Sarah's sixth and last child Joseph was born in 1812 and around 1815 Bank Top was sold to neighbour James HINE.  The ROBINSONs purchased a property named Blackshaw's Moor Farm (163 acres) from a William RIDER.  The farm was located around three kilometres to the south east of Bank Top.  The estate was originally positioned inside the western parish boundary of Tittesworth, however a border change in 1882 officially moved the farm into Leek Frith.   Blackshaw's Moor Farm is situated two kilometres north east of the outskirts of the city of Leek.  It was at Blackshaw's Moor that Mrs Sarah ROBINSON died on the 8th of October 1822 aged just forty-six years.

The 1841 census named John ROBINSON as eighty plus years, residing at Blackshaw's Moor Farm with his second son also named John and young John's family.   Of the farm's four boarding farm labourers, they included a William and Thomas ROBINSON who were a son and a grandson of the previously mentioned William ROBINSON (b 1773).   Over the years many of the cousins' teenage children worked as agricultural labourers on their relatives' farms.  The 1881 census listed William's youngest son Ralph (b 1822) as the owner of Bank Top Farm (47 acres).

Mr John ROBINSON died at Blackshaw's Moor Farm on the 26th of August 1850 aged approximately ninety-one years; depending on which you believe, his death certificate, his tombstone or the St Matthews Meerbrook church records?  He was buried in St Matthew's Cemetery with his grandson Robert ROBINSON, who died two years later aged eighteen years.
   
John and Sarah ROBINSON named their eldest son Thomas (b 1801) and Thomas married Ellen WARDLE from Ipstones.   Ipstones is situated around fifteen kilometres to the east of Meerbrook and Thomas is believed to have been working on his Uncle William ROBINSON's farm at the time of the couple's marriage.   Thomas and Ellen had nine children born at a variety of locations between Ipstones and Leek Frith.   Thomas was perhaps the least successful of John senior's four sons, working as a farm labourer much of his life, before living in semi-retirement on a property named Waterhouse, Leek Frith in the late 1860s.

In contrast John and Sarah's youngest sons William (b 1809) and Joseph (b 1812) were both very successful farmers, owning properties named Windy Gates and Prospect in Leek Frith.   William's estate was located just two kilometres to the north of Blackshaw's Moor and at a sizable 200 acres; it was one of the largest in the district.   William had eleven children, including twin girls who died when they were just a few weeks old.   William's only surviving son Joseph took over Windy Gates when William died in 1886.

As previously mentioned, John senior's second son was also named John (b 1802) and it is from his family that we descend.   John ROBINSON junior married Elizabeth WORTHINGTON on the 29th of December 1830 at Leek.   Elizabeth was the second child of Thomas and Ruth WORTHINGTON nee DEAVILL, who were farmers at Whitehouse in the parish of Onecote.   The village of Onecote (or Oncote) is similar in size to Meerbrook and located around seven kilometres to the east of Leek.     Whitehouse farm is situated on the western boundary of the parish and located less than half an English mile to the south east of the ROBINSON's property.

John and Elizabeth ROBINSON's first child was born the year after their marriage while the couple were living on the outskirts of Leek and the ROBINSONs named her Sarah.  In 1832 John and Elizabeth moved in with John's father at Blackshaw's Moor Farm and it was at there that their remaining eight children were born.  All nine offspring survived infancy and at the time of the 1851 census, all with the exception of the couple's second daughter Ruth, were living on the family property.  By then the family property was a sizable 163 acres.

Unfortunately for the ROBINSONs their good fortunes were short lived when John ROBINSON junior died suddenly after a five-week bout of bronchitis, on the 28th of April 1853.   Young John was just fifty-one and following his passing the family went their separate ways.  Eldest daughter Sarah married a local farmer named William BROUGH of Hazelwood House in March 1859.   The family's youngest son Ralph went to work for his Uncle Thomas ROBINSON.   

By the 1861 census the farm had been sold and Mrs Elizabeth ROBINSON and her daughter Mary had retired to a sixteen-acre property at nearby Nether Hay, on the southern outskirts of the hamlet of Upperhulme.   The ROBINSON's oldest son John had moved his farming interests to Macclesfield, Cheshire, where he operated a 50-acre property with the assistance of his sister Ruth and younger brother William.  The ROBINSON's second son Joseph took up farming at nearby Henbury with his sister Hannah and the ROBINSON's youngest sibling Ralph.  

In 1862 Ruth married John PIMLOTT, whose family also originated from Leek Frith.  In 1864 young Mary married Charles BROWN at Macclesfield, Cheshire.  Charles was a travelling draper who originated from Dumphrieshire, Scotland.   The BROWNs resided at number 8 Kings Street in the Staffordshire city of Newcastle Under Lyme, where their two children where born.   In 1868 Mary died suddenly and her mother moved in to take care of the BROWN children.  Her son Ralph joined the family, working as a draper for Charles BROWN.  

In 1869 Ruth and John PIMLOTT together with young William ROBINSON migrated to Victoria, Australia.   Joseph moved to Liverpool where he married Fanny BUTLER from Gloucester and became a bookkeeper.  A few years later Mrs Elizabeth ROBINSON moved back to Leek Frith to be with her daughter Sarah.  Sarah was widowed with three children in January 1869, when she was two months pregnant. 

In the 1880s, Elizabeth returned to Newcastle where she lived with her son Ralph.  Ralph continued working as a travelling tailor, residing at number 5 Castle Street and marrying widow Maria BLOXHAM nee DERRINGTON.   Ralph and Maria had just one son William and the family remained at Castle Street until Ralph's passing in1909.   The final whereabouts of the ROBINSON's children, John, Joseph, Elizabeth and Hannah remain unknown, perhaps they also migrated overseas?

Mrs Elizabeth ROBINSON died at Castle Street on the 15th of February 1889 aged eighty-five years.   She was buried with her husband John in St Matthew's Cemetery.   Both John junior and his father's tombstones have survived the elements of time and still stand today.  Although farm acreages were unable to support most of John senior's descendants, a handful remained in the district, at least until recent times.      

For the last twenty years Blackshaw's Moor Farm has been a training camp for the British scouting association and military personnel.
  
1802 - 1853 John Robinson 51 51 Geoff Webb descended from John webb@netconnect.com.au

Phil,
        I am a descendant of John (1802-1853) and Elizabeth (1804-89) ROBINSON nee WORTHINGTON and there second youngest child William ROBINSON (1844-1918).   I will have a look at your site over the next few days.    It is unusual that you mention your family had a military background.   My father's Aunty Kate and Uncle William R. ROBINSON both served in the in the Boer War and Aunt Kate was also in WW1 and WW2.   Uncle William never returned from the Boer War we believe he married a local girl and had one daughter before he ran away from her.   Dad also had a second Aunt who was in WW1

John ROBINSON junior married Elizabeth WORTHINGTON on the 29th of December 1830 at Leek.   Elizabeth was the second child of Thomas and Ruth WORTHINGTON nee DEAVILL, who were farmers at Whitehouse in the parish of Onecote.   The village of Onecote (or Oncote) is similar in size to Meerbrook and located around seven kilometres to the east of Leek.     Whitehouse farm is situated on the western boundary of the parish and located less than half an English mile to the south east of the ROBINSON's property.

John and Elizabeth ROBINSON's first child was born the year after their marriage while the couple were living on the outskirts of Leek and the ROBINSONs named her Sarah.  In 1832 John and Elizabeth moved in with John's father at Blackshaw's Moor Farm and it was at there that their remaining eight children were born.  All nine offspring survived infancy and at the time of the 1851 census, all with the exception of the couple's second daughter Ruth, were living on the family property.  By then the family property was a sizable 163 acres.
1809 - 1886 William Robinson 77 77 Owned Windy Gates
William had eleven children, including twin girls who died when they were just a few weeks old.   William's only surviving son Joseph took over Windy Gates when William died in 1886.
Source:  Geoff Webb 1836 - 1906 William Dalrymple 70 70 From my Dad:
Walters grandfather Charles had a brother William, born 1836.
In 1871 he was in Bradford with his family and was a cigar maker, his wife Catherine was born in Castleton on the Isle of Man. She died in 1874 and William married again to Margaret Davidson in Everton. In 1885 they were in Conchan, Isle of Man where several children were born, one of which was Gertrude in 1887.
In 1889 Gertrude was at the Arnot Street School in Liverpool and in 1911 she was with her Aunt in Cheshire. In 1914 she married James H Elliott  in Tynemouth. They had a son, Leslie Dalrymple Elliott ( and maybe other children) and that Leslie married  Violet Lea in Liverpool in 1945. I met Les and Vi from time to time and they came to Italy once on holiday. He was a professional photographer, retired by the time I knew him, I think, and I remember, on one occasion when we went to their house in Childwall, him showing me a top of the range Hasselblad camera that he used. As far as I know he wasn’t  a fashion photographer but had pictures in magazines like the London Illustrated News. I have often wondered how my mother and Leslie were related and it was just by coincidence that I came across the name Elliott researching Gertie and Jim. I still don’t know what relativel her Great Uncles Grandson was and it surprises me that she would be in contact with such a distant relative. There is a reference to a Leslie Elliott at St Pauls Infant School, Byle St, Toxteth being admitted to St Micheals (another school?) in 1922. Elizabeth Robinson Source: Geoff Webb
John Falkenor ROBINSON was christened at Leek on the 6th of October 1759 an illegitimate son of Elizabeth ROBINSON.   Leek is a city located in the northern part of Staffordshire County, central England with a current population of around twenty thousand.  Illegitimate children were quite common in 18th century Britain and Elizabeth ROBINSON is believed to have given birth to several infants out of wedlock, including a Samuel ROBINSON who was born in 1762 1812 Joseph Robinson 1837 - 1913 Joseph Robinson 76 76 Source:  Geoff Webb
William had eleven children, including twin girls who died when they were just a few weeks old.   William's only surviving son Joseph took over Windy Gates when William died in 1886. Marriage (five children) Wedding (a child) (a child) (a child) (a child) Marriage (four children) Wedding Marriage (a child) Wedding (a child) Wedding 1834 1891 - 1965 Samuel Charles Ely 73 73 Born at: Nettlebed, Oxfordshire

On the 1911 census he was working as a gardener at Irwin Water, Welwyn, Herts for sir Otto Beit with 3 other gardeners.

Married at:  Leatherhead Parish Church

On:  16 August 1913

When he married at the age of 23, he was a florist. Edith, his first wife was a dairy assistant. He did not fight in WW1, and worked in an ammunition factory. Later, he worked for Lyons as a buyer. He would buy greengroceries at Covent Garden to supply the restaurants owned by Lyons. He later owned a greengrocery in W.Byfleet. He retired in 1956. Kenneth took over. On his death Certificate, he was described as a master Greengrocer.
Was widowed.
His second wife was Kathleen Bristow. The bureau which we have belonged to her. He died aged 74at st. Peter's hospital, Chertsey. His ashes are buried at St. John's Church, W.Byfleet, the garden of remembrance
1887 May E Ely Born in Balham, Surrey
Source: 1891 Census - image under Samuel Ely Family
According to the 1901 census she was born in 1887.  In 1901, age 14, she was a pupil teacher.
Married Aaron Green, bricklayer in 1908 in Midhurst
Was at 3, Grassmere Villas at Lightwater in 1911with son Harold (1910)
In 1939 May and Aaron at 2, Pineview Cottages, Grassmere Rd, Lightwater, also with Samuel (1863, Widower) 1883 Ethel A Ely Born in Upminster, Essex
Source: 1891 Census - image under Samuel Ely Family
In 1901 was a parlour maid at the Williams Family (clergyman) at teh Rectory, Aylesbury  In 1910, married Frank Raynor, grocers' assistant in Midhurst, living close to Patworth.
In 1911 they were at Sycamore Cottage, High Street, Bagshott.
She possibly dies in Staines District in 1944.
Frank possibly dies in 1941 in the Royal Army Service Corps. 1884 Harold G Ely Born in Balham, Surrey
Source: 1891 Census - image under Samuel Ely Family Florence Gertrude 1852 Walter 1855 Susan 1790 - 1871 Joseph Ely 81 81 Married Lucy at Cowlinge age 22.  Recorded as agricultural labourer.
By 1851 the had moved to Upper Green, Little Thurlow.
Son Samuel aged 33 and Charles, 21, daughter Harriet with them.
In 1861 Joseph and Lucy were at Old Hall, Bradley Place, Little Bradley, both aged 70.  All the family have departed.  Joseph still recorded as a labourer.
In 1871, they were at Overgreen Farm, Little Thurlow.  Joseph died the same year. 1791 Lucy Starling 1830 Charles 1833 Harriet Herbert Williams E Edith Roffe obituary says brother E R Edith Roffe obituary says brother R S Edith Roffe obituary says brother S 1844 - 1918 William 74 74 Geoff Webb's G Grandfather

From Geoff:
Just where my g grandfather William ROBINSON (1844-1918) got his money from I don't know, but he was also a very sucessfull farmer here in Victoria, Australia.  Hannah May May was my great grandmother's cousin, but some 23 years younger and roughly the same age as my grandmother.

My grandma used to speak of May a lot.  I have some of their letters.
Likely born circa 1920

Her first husband was Rob Emmett, son John Emmett Son of Hannah not William Jenny Stacey Son Bert, Liverpool solicitor Polly Margaret Davidson 1887 Gertrude In 1889 Gertrude was at the Arnot Street School in Liverpool and in 1911 she was with her Aunt in Cheshire. In 1914 she married James H Elliott  in Tynemouth. They had a son, Leslie Dalrymple Elliott ( and maybe other children) and that Leslie married  Violet Lea in Liverpool in 1945. I met Les and Vi from time to time and they came to Italy once on holiday. He was a professional photographer, retired by the time I knew him, I think, and I remember, on one occasion when we went to their house in Childwall, him showing me a top of the range Hasselblad camera that he used. As far as I know he wasn’t  a fashion photographer but had pictures in magazines like the London Illustrated News. I have often wondered how my mother and Leslie were related and it was just by coincidence that I came across the name Elliott researching Gertie and Jim. I still don’t know what relativel her Great Uncles Grandson was and it surprises me that she would be in contact with such a distant relative. There is a reference to a Leslie Elliott at St Pauls Infant School, Byle St, Toxteth being admitted to St Micheals (another school?) in 1922. James H Elliot 1915 Leslie Elliot Violet Lea 1892 Violet Ely Born in Nettlebed and at home in 1901 and 1911 Censuses 1892 Daisy Ely Born in Nettlebed (twin to Violet?) - at home in 1901, in 1911 was nurse to Alice Rose Burgess at Hillside, Bracknell 1895 Ernest Ely Born Nettlebed, in 1911 (age 15) was a gardener at White Horse Yard, Storrington, for Albert Cooper 1898 Rose Ely At Lavington in 1911.
In 1939 was at Cambridge Road, Malden, a mail order clerk, with Eric, a Fruiterers' Manager. 1901 - 1916 Jessie Ely 15 15 1769 - 1808 James Ely 39 39 After marrying Alice at age 21, they moved to Cowlinge and had 8 children.  Likely that James was an agricultural labourer.
He re-married sge 36 to Mary Hazel D. 1803 Alice Went 1740 - 1835 Joseph 95 95 Had 8 children, some born in Gedding, some in Rattlesdon, though Rattlesden may be a parish area covering many villages. Harriet Pratt Mary Hazel 1806 Mary Ely Richard Ely James Ely George Ely James Boyles 1874 Joseph Rutledge Ran the Sussex Hotel in Hurstpierpoint 1907 Eric James Ely 1813 - 1898 Joseph Ely 85 85 Ann Revall 1815 - 1871 George Ely 56 56 Created using GenoPro® Click for details.